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	<title>Comments on: The SSPCK and a painful link between Gaelic and Native American cultures</title>
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		<title>By: Colm</title>
		<link>http://109.74.200.198/the-sspck-and-a-painful-link-between-gaelic-and-native-american-cultures/#comment-14958</link>
		<dc:creator>Colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 18:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daibhidh, 
 I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle. You should come to Canada and see what effects the SSPCK have had on the North American Indian. Many of the effects of the residential school system can be seen in Canada today, alcoholism, drugs and suicide are the main components!
Perhaps reading this might make you reconsider your reply. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daibhidh,<br />
 I think you are seeing this from the wrong angle. You should come to Canada and see what effects the SSPCK have had on the North American Indian. Many of the effects of the residential school system can be seen in Canada today, alcoholism, drugs and suicide are the main components!<br />
Perhaps reading this might make you reconsider your reply.<br />
<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Oliver (Skye and Melbourne)</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Oliver (Skye and Melbourne)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Jamie.
I&#039;d love to know more about your PhD research.
You can find me at Uni Melbourne: joliver@unimelb.edu.au
Best,
James.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jamie.<br />
I&#8217;d love to know more about your PhD research.<br />
You can find me at Uni Melbourne: <a href="mailto:joliver@unimelb.edu.au">joliver@unimelb.edu.au</a><br />
Best,<br />
James.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan,

I have a few points to make that will adjust your conceived image of the SSPCK. Firstly, the SSPCK was largely dependent on Gaelic-speakers: it was a pre-requisite qualification for all Society schoolmasters, as was good moral standing and an aversion to coercive measures. One schoolmaster, a John Clow, was removed from his post and chastised for attempting to force Catholic children to attend Protestant services. In addition, Catholic parents were just as eager as Protestants to have their children educated in Society schools, showing little resistance to schoolmasters as opposed to chasing away Presbyterian ministers. 

The SSPCK insisted on tapping into local kinship ties to allow natives a substantial role in the education/conversion of their own communities. Its attitude to language and religion was far from static and it cannot be doubted that, at certain times, the Society capitalised on anti-Gaelic sentiment (e.g. immediately after the &#039;15 Rising) in order to attract donations/funding for its mission, yet the society was open to local innovation in both religious and secular worship. It is no accident that the great Jacobite poet, Alasdair Mac Mhaighstir Alasdair, was a schoolmaster for the Society in Ardnamurchan: he was offered a decent wage and the valuable opportunity to communicate the needs of his community to political centres in Edinburgh/London. This led to the SSPCK patronising his project to produce a Gaelic-English vocabulary in 1741. Yes, the Society sometimes exhibit the habit, mostly in their rhetoric, of preferring English to Gaelic. This was a natural consequence of ongoing debates regarding orthography and varied dialects of Gaelic, which made it difficult for the Society to figure out where to put their money with regards to producing a Gaelic Bible. It should be noted that they display a very early commitment to this project as an eventuality.

I would also like to correct your understanding of the relationship between the SSPCK, local elites and the government. The SSPCK was established to supplement the existing systems of education and governance as its members believed that the government and local heritors were not doing enough - nor would they be pushed to. The SSPCK acted as the sole lobbying group for the benefit of ordinary Highlanders up until the end of the 18th century. Heritors often offered nominal support to the SSPCK, but when cold hard cash was required they became somewhat elusive. A relevant example is the case of Abertarff, in which the society had established a school but required the landowner to build a bridge to enable more children to attend. The society was ignored for 6 years, until it finally received note that the bridge and school had been built: this however was a lie. Local elites (to use an unjustifiably broad brush) were often keen to take advantage of what they saw as &quot;discounted improvements&quot; available from the SSPCK, but they were inevitably cautious when they were required to assist in providing financial support for their own tenants. 

In sum, the SSPCK was an organisation that sought to win over Gaelic communities: yes it was to win them over to the Hanoverians and Protestantism (keep in mind 80% of Highlanders were already Calvinist protestants) and to teach them English, but this was done using predominantly persuasive methods. Today&#039;s Highland history has outgrown old notions of &quot;goodies vs baddies&quot; and the delicate passive Gael vs. the Imperialistic, zealous, anglicising lowlanders. The SSPCK was one organisation among many that operated in the 18th Century Highlands, but it was one of only a few that had the best interests of native Gaels at heart, despite being sometimes misguided and overcautious of Gaelic participation at a central organisational level.

Apologies for the length of the reply: I am currently in the early stages of a dedicated PhD on the SSPCK from a native perspective and, thus, had a lot to say on the matter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,</p>
<p>I have a few points to make that will adjust your conceived image of the SSPCK. Firstly, the SSPCK was largely dependent on Gaelic-speakers: it was a pre-requisite qualification for all Society schoolmasters, as was good moral standing and an aversion to coercive measures. One schoolmaster, a John Clow, was removed from his post and chastised for attempting to force Catholic children to attend Protestant services. In addition, Catholic parents were just as eager as Protestants to have their children educated in Society schools, showing little resistance to schoolmasters as opposed to chasing away Presbyterian ministers. </p>
<p>The SSPCK insisted on tapping into local kinship ties to allow natives a substantial role in the education/conversion of their own communities. Its attitude to language and religion was far from static and it cannot be doubted that, at certain times, the Society capitalised on anti-Gaelic sentiment (e.g. immediately after the &#8217;15 Rising) in order to attract donations/funding for its mission, yet the society was open to local innovation in both religious and secular worship. It is no accident that the great Jacobite poet, Alasdair Mac Mhaighstir Alasdair, was a schoolmaster for the Society in Ardnamurchan: he was offered a decent wage and the valuable opportunity to communicate the needs of his community to political centres in Edinburgh/London. This led to the SSPCK patronising his project to produce a Gaelic-English vocabulary in 1741. Yes, the Society sometimes exhibit the habit, mostly in their rhetoric, of preferring English to Gaelic. This was a natural consequence of ongoing debates regarding orthography and varied dialects of Gaelic, which made it difficult for the Society to figure out where to put their money with regards to producing a Gaelic Bible. It should be noted that they display a very early commitment to this project as an eventuality.</p>
<p>I would also like to correct your understanding of the relationship between the SSPCK, local elites and the government. The SSPCK was established to supplement the existing systems of education and governance as its members believed that the government and local heritors were not doing enough &#8211; nor would they be pushed to. The SSPCK acted as the sole lobbying group for the benefit of ordinary Highlanders up until the end of the 18th century. Heritors often offered nominal support to the SSPCK, but when cold hard cash was required they became somewhat elusive. A relevant example is the case of Abertarff, in which the society had established a school but required the landowner to build a bridge to enable more children to attend. The society was ignored for 6 years, until it finally received note that the bridge and school had been built: this however was a lie. Local elites (to use an unjustifiably broad brush) were often keen to take advantage of what they saw as &#8220;discounted improvements&#8221; available from the SSPCK, but they were inevitably cautious when they were required to assist in providing financial support for their own tenants. </p>
<p>In sum, the SSPCK was an organisation that sought to win over Gaelic communities: yes it was to win them over to the Hanoverians and Protestantism (keep in mind 80% of Highlanders were already Calvinist protestants) and to teach them English, but this was done using predominantly persuasive methods. Today&#8217;s Highland history has outgrown old notions of &#8220;goodies vs baddies&#8221; and the delicate passive Gael vs. the Imperialistic, zealous, anglicising lowlanders. The SSPCK was one organisation among many that operated in the 18th Century Highlands, but it was one of only a few that had the best interests of native Gaels at heart, despite being sometimes misguided and overcautious of Gaelic participation at a central organisational level.</p>
<p>Apologies for the length of the reply: I am currently in the early stages of a dedicated PhD on the SSPCK from a native perspective and, thus, had a lot to say on the matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daibhidh - Thank you for your comment. First, I am afraid that you have confused passion against injustice with hate. On the substance, the blessings of the SSPCK were likely not felt as keenly by Catholics, Episcopalians, non-English speakers and others as it was by Presbyterians and Unionists who believed their way was the holy preordained way and the best thing around to impose upon uncivil heathen Gaels and Native American peoples. Additionally, the chiefs and &quot;feudal lords&quot; who, in your words &quot;sold you for sheep&quot; and &quot;gave no mercy to the people&quot; also funded the SSPCK. As did their British government. In a 21st century minded phrase, follow the money.

slm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daibhidh &#8211; Thank you for your comment. First, I am afraid that you have confused passion against injustice with hate. On the substance, the blessings of the SSPCK were likely not felt as keenly by Catholics, Episcopalians, non-English speakers and others as it was by Presbyterians and Unionists who believed their way was the holy preordained way and the best thing around to impose upon uncivil heathen Gaels and Native American peoples. Additionally, the chiefs and &#8220;feudal lords&#8221; who, in your words &#8220;sold you for sheep&#8221; and &#8220;gave no mercy to the people&#8221; also funded the SSPCK. As did their British government. In a 21st century minded phrase, follow the money.</p>
<p>slm</p>
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		<title>By: Daibhidh</title>
		<link>http://109.74.200.198/the-sspck-and-a-painful-link-between-gaelic-and-native-american-cultures/#comment-4893</link>
		<dc:creator>Daibhidh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2015 06:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan.  It&#039;s hard to see where your hateful prejudice stops and facts begin.  I can&#039;t comment on North America but the work of the SSPCK was a blessing to Scotland and the reformed faith has in fact been the method by which preservation of the Gaelic culture has occurred.  It was not a &quot;foreign&quot; power imposing but our own country providing education that was not otherwise available.  The chiefs and the clans sold us for sheep farming.   Who killed Gaelic culture, the folly of feudal lords who gave no mercy to the people who were forced to offer them &quot;loyalty&quot;.   Your 21st century mindset has muddled your analytical abilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan.  It&#8217;s hard to see where your hateful prejudice stops and facts begin.  I can&#8217;t comment on North America but the work of the SSPCK was a blessing to Scotland and the reformed faith has in fact been the method by which preservation of the Gaelic culture has occurred.  It was not a &#8220;foreign&#8221; power imposing but our own country providing education that was not otherwise available.  The chiefs and the clans sold us for sheep farming.   Who killed Gaelic culture, the folly of feudal lords who gave no mercy to the people who were forced to offer them &#8220;loyalty&#8221;.   Your 21st century mindset has muddled your analytical abilities.</p>
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